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02 June 2005 @ 06:51 pm
 
After discussing it with my gf, and after the overwhelming response to my backpack, I've decided to do some commission work. I work 4 days a week, and as a result, have free time on my hands. The Sailor Jupiter backpack I painted today, took me about 5 hours from start to finish. First, here's the finished backpack that I came up with today:



Also, here's what started it all, a license plate I painted for my gf's car last week:



I'm going to put the details of what I'm offering behind an lj-cut, the basics are, you choose, I paint, you enjoy :). Keep in mind that this is not limited to only Sailormoon things, I can basically do anything. Tonight I'll have my portfolio back and can take some more picures.





Thats the closeup of what I've done. Ugh, I kinda wish now that the backpack hadn't been through the ringer a few times, I actually like it now :)

I did a lot of thinking today while I painted. I had about 10-15 Instant messages, emails, and comments, asking me how much it would be to do something for them. Since I'm trying to save up to buy my girlfriend an engagement ring, I figured this was the oppurtunity I needed.


What am I offering?
Messenger Bags
Laptop Cases
Backpacks
Duffel Bags
Mini Backpacks
License Plates
Leather Jacket
Custom work


Messenger Bags/Laptop Bags
I can supply it for you, or you can supply it yourself. If I'm supplying it for you, you can either purchase it online and have it shipped to me to paint, or have me purchase it. You choose everything, color of the bag, etc. If I buy the bag myself, I only charge you for the bag + shipping + custom work, I'm not going to overcharge anyone and gouge prices.. Here's an idea of what I can get for messenger bags:


These are an example of what is available online and are all unde 20$.
Prices start at 50.00 for a Messenger Bag/Laptop Case + the cost of the bag, or you can provide your own.

Backpacks
Same as above. You can either provide your own, or get a new one.
Prices start at 50.00 for a Backpack.

Duffel Bags
Same as above. You can either provide your own, or get a new one.
Prices start at 50.00 for a Duffel Bag.

Mini Backpacks
These are the CUTEST and make great purses/lunchbags
These come in a BOATLOAD of different colors but here's here example:


License Plates
Prices start at 25.00

Leather Jacket
You provide your own jacket. Prices vary

Custom Work
Anything that can be painted on, I can paint. Anything you want painted (sailormoon, other anime characters, etc) can be done. Custom work is based upon the level of detail, size of piece, etc. Don't be afraid to ask :)

The small print:
All artwork is painted using high quality acrylic paints and sealed to last. When painted on fabrics, acrylic paints do not chip off. All payments are probably going to be handled under Paypal or Money Order.

If you'd like any more information, a price quote, or to order something, Email me at spellbound@gmail.com

Thank you to everyone :)

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this girl types: nobu pic by thedottedlinesgirltype on June 2nd, 2005 10:55 pm (UTC)
So if I provide the backpack/purse, how much does it cost to paint the image?
./life/reviewed/cypher on June 2nd, 2005 10:58 pm (UTC)
The base price is 50.00. That goes up depending on how fancy/involved it is.

For example, if you had a purse and wanted sailormoon painted on it, it'd be 50.00.

If you wanted every sailor scout, inner and outer, there'd definitely be a higher price involved :)..

Also, everything is negotiable, email me with any questions or for quotes.
this girl typesgirltype on June 2nd, 2005 11:13 pm (UTC)
What about something like this
./life/reviewed/cypher on June 2nd, 2005 11:17 pm (UTC)
should be 50.00, but I'd have to see the full image (i'm assuming there's more than just that lil bit.)
this girl types: rock lee/sakuragirltype on June 2nd, 2005 11:19 pm (UTC)
I could get you a screencap.

How long does something like this take?
./life/reviewed/cypher on June 2nd, 2005 11:21 pm (UTC)
2-3 days tops.
___tsukiyomi on June 3rd, 2005 12:46 am (UTC)
I um, LOVE your icon.. Haha ^^;
Kodochaaaa! <3
kawaiiayu on June 2nd, 2005 11:49 pm (UTC)
Just an artist question. Is this just regular acrylic paint? I didn't know you could paint on fabric like that with it O.o I have a bunch of the stuff, I never thought of that. Well I guess that makes sense... since canvas is basically fabric ^^;; What do you use for the lineart? Just a sharpie or something? These bags can't be washed... can they?
./life/reviewed/cypher on June 2nd, 2005 11:53 pm (UTC)
I've used both fabric paint and acrylic.Fabric paint has a tendency to sit on the fabric, whereas acrylic tends to sink in.

There are some types of fabric paint that I use, when needed, but mostly acrylic works just fine. You can wash it and everything.

How do i differentiate?
If its something that will indeed be washed regularly, like a tshirt or jeans, I use fabric paint. If its something that will rarely get washed, and just needs to hold up to the elements and be water safe, then I use acrylic.

For the lineart I used a sharpie.
Auroraaurora_ookami on June 3rd, 2005 12:02 am (UTC)
You got some talent there ^_^ I wish I had money to buy one.... I know those would sell real fast at an anime con
silentsecret428 on June 3rd, 2005 01:10 am (UTC)
Dont you need a reslling licence or some sort of license from the people who created sailormoon because you are in fact- making money off the fact these are trademark sailormoon.
I understand that the labour of making any creation can come at a high price; but with the fact that these characters are also distinctly made to sell by you offers the suggestion that you may be using someone else's characters to obtain credit and profit.

I think there are fan arts and doujinshi but i dont know how that works. I would imagine there would need to be some sort of license in order to make some sort of profit...otherwise everyone would be recreating things..

Im only asking because if bootleg warriors come and find out what you are doing they will assume you are scheming to make money off them....and you might end up in a legal ...i dont know.


82828muscatlove on June 3rd, 2005 03:21 am (UTC)
Well.. I mean, if you take fanart in such a light, then any doujinshi and fanart ever made and sold is completely illegal and thus should not be bought or sold ever. While that may respect the letter of the law, in Japan at least there are used doujinshi stores where: 1.) The original copyright holder never "makes" any money off the product (except for revenue made by increasing the fans' love of the series/willingness to pay for more goods, some official and some not). 2.) The original artist/writer of the doujinshi never makes any money beyond whatever they were initially paid for the book - i.e., if they charged $4 for a doujinshi, then someone sold it to Mandarake for 50 cents, then Mandarake sold it to the public for $6.. Mandarake makes $5.50 off of something illegal. And yet Mandarake branches are in operation in Japan and never undergo lawsuits by the original copyright holders, so.. one would guess that one man making fanart backpacks without a license to do so falls into that same "too small/irrelevant to prosecute" category.

Basically to sum it all up: all fanart can be illegal if one looks at it from the standpoint of international copyright law. However, most copyright holders (Disney being a large exception) don't sue their fans for artwork. The $50 being paid is for the guy's work of doing the paintings, not just for "bootleg" merchandise. *shrugs*
silentsecret428 on June 3rd, 2005 03:40 am (UTC)
Actually...the $50 being paid is for the guy's work of doing the paintings of the licensed merchandise. Without it, he wouldnt be making $50 because there would be nothing so worthy to replicate. [given he is charging to replicate other companies' anime/cartoons and not soley his own actual art]- i am not saying that drawing with your own hands is your own art.

If they were his own art,this would be a different point...if this would be fanart- the replications wouldnt look so identical to the poses already out there..but replications of the same poses being distrubted everywhere...as fanart? So no, not all fanart can be illegal from the standpoint of international copyright law; some fanart could be going to the donation of a club of fans devoted to promoting release of the anime in their respect... or promoting alternate storyline and scenes which the original could not create. [especially true in doujinshi which show different stories that are not similar to the real story] When something isnt available; people make it available to keep interest in the product- like fansubs... and downloading.

The point is in this matter; these poses are overly similar to those already published and hence takes legal matters to a different level.

In terms of fanart,its also the same for cds- someone charges more if the item is rare or harder to find- or supply does not meet demand. It isnt illegal to sell something like this for profit [see ebay] and the original producer does not make money for this.
The point here is,CDs, like the doujinshi [which orginally does not make profit anyway] are the the exact item being resold- so its a different point altogether and therefore rather void to compare.


silentsecret428 on June 3rd, 2005 03:45 am (UTC)
oh and on that note; bootlegs are illegal obviously [there was a NIN collector advertising his collection...bam...sued.- he wasnt even selling!!! ]
There 's also a madman employee around the forums cracking down on bootlegged anime... so even at this .... people can be sued...

Just pointing out instances how cds and bootlegged anime differ from this work...but still get targeted, nonetheless.
./life/reviewed/cypher on June 3rd, 2005 04:56 am (UTC)
In this case, its a grey area.

This falls under the category of:
tattoos
Airbrushed tshirts, jackets, etc
Painting and airbrushing on cars.

I don't think there's ever been a tattooist who has been sued for doing any copyrighted material. I'd say about 80% of tattooists do copyrighted work. They get by it because you're paying for their services.

Back where I'm from, every year at xmas time, there's always at least 5 carts in the mall doing airbrushing. You can go in and buy a shirt with, say, the Tazmanian Devil put on it and your name. Noone has ever been sued.

At fairs , they have face painting, and they can put, sailormoon, mickey mouse, etc, on them.

Here's an example. On ebay right now, there are countless auctions for sailormoon cigarette holders. All those are, are printed out stickers slapped on an empty case. Ebay has VERY strict rules, and noone has filed a complaint against those sellers.

I'll look into it more deeply, but I believe this does not fall into the same category as bootlegging, or outright copyright infringement. Its been many years since my art school days.
silentsecret428 on June 3rd, 2005 06:28 am (UTC)

At fairs , they have face painting, and they can put, sailormoon, mickey mouse, etc, on them.
at fairs face painting can be removed or rather, must be removed after 24 hours [assumably so the skin can breathe] This provides a similar mp3 downloading scheme where you are allowed to download the mp3 , but encouraged to delete it either when the real one comes out or when 24-48 hours have elapsed Again, putting make up on children and adults is not like "tattooing" bags and merchandise.

Here's an example. On ebay right now, there are countless auctions for sailormoon cigarette holders. All those are, are printed out stickers slapped on an empty case. Ebay has VERY strict rules, and noone has filed a complaint against those sellers.
here's a rebuttal: Ebay does have strict rules. Thousands of these have been compained against. and thousands of these people have had their accounts shut down. I personally dealth with a fake seller of Oakleys sunglasses. They come back everyday which is why Ebay find it futile; but the deleting process is still going.

I'll look into it more deeply, but I believe this does not fall into the same category as bootlegging, or outright copyright infringement. Its been many years since my art school days.
well if you read my first post... i only asked about a reselling license...or something to that imagination.

I believe if you make a large marjority appropriation in your style..i think its 30%, you can get away with it. [as art rules go...]
There are tonnes of people who buy old things and alter them to make new things out of and base the price on the types of things they've created... like miss_bunny's shoes for example. Other shoe's brands.. her own artwork on the shoes. It makes sense they're sold for the artwork- not the shoe brand [unless they are...then w00pded00 i think she's still had the 30% appropriating the style to make it her own] And by this i do not mean changing a few things and calling it your own product altogether. [but that's not what we're talking about]


cheers!


If it gives me any credibility i did a bit of law about the art industry. ... I hated it.
./life/reviewed/cypher on June 3rd, 2005 01:35 pm (UTC)
"at fairs face painting can be removed or rather, must be removed after 24 hours [assumably so the skin can breathe] This provides a similar mp3 downloading scheme where you are allowed to download the mp3 , but encouraged to delete it either when the real one comes out or when 24-48 hours have elapsed Again, putting make up on children and adults is not like "tattooing" bags and merchandise."

You're making a HUGE assumption there.
Face paninting can be removed. So can my artwork
must be removed after 24 hours [assumably so the skin can breathe] Never seen any law that says Face painting MUST BE REMOVED!!!!
This provides a similar mp3 downloading scheme where you are allowed to download the mp3 , but encouraged to delete it either when the real one comes out or when 24-48 hours have elapsed Unless its a free release, you cannot simply download an mp3 and keep it for any length of time.


putting make up on children and adults is not like "tattooing" bags and merchandise."
A face painter, provides a service, wherein he paints something on the face for cash, and the subject is left to do with it what they want.
I provides a service, wherein I paint something on an item for cash

very similar

Look, I don't want to turn this into a debate, but to answer your orginial question,., No i do not need a vendors license to sell my services online.
silentsecret428 on June 4th, 2005 12:20 am (UTC)
You're making a HUGE assumption there.
you are making an even larger assumption in this very statement!


Face paninting can be removed. So can my artwork
must be removed after 24 hours [assumably so the skin can breathe] Never seen any law that says Face painting MUST BE REMOVED!!!!
actually..if you dont want your face to clog up...then yes..you must remove face paint- just as you must remove make up before you sleep in order to keep healthy and you must surrender our meal docket to obtain that food. So please realise while its not in the duty of law that these must be removed- they must , in fact, nevertheless, be removed...just like mp3s...must be removed..in fact, if you state otherwise, it IS illegal. keeping mp3s IS illegal without the original copy.
Argue as you might..go the ,mp3 rotation sites..they KNOW the law can do very nasty things. so they cover their back...ok? Its not just a simple "well this guy's doining it and he didnt caught..so can i!!" as you think it is
And i doubt charging $50 for a service to paint faces at fairs is what the price is going for anyway




A face painter, provides a service, wherein he paints something on the face for cash, and the subject is left to do with it what they want.
I provides a service, wherein I paint something on an item for cash

very similar- sorry very DIFFERENT.
A face must be cleaned. Your items dont- and i mean cleaned daily. Yours again, dont. not similar.
Paint on a face is there one day, gone another. They dont cost $50 for the service [in terms of earning profit..this is a lot. Companies may be interesting in suing for a larger amount as aforementioned]

If you read above, the difference with face painting comes with the fact that paint on a face needs to come off.... and yes..NEEDS. if you say no...then i guess i know why some people really have acne.

Also, atop of that... your service is not like their service. Look into that more. I've never face paintined. I'm sure they have an abn too.. oh!! by the way!!... they arent selling items on top of their work. :) So again... very different situation.


Look, I don't want to turn this into a debate, but to answer your orginial question,., No i do not need a vendors license to sell my services online.
I'm not trying to form a debate. But logically it has developed this way- and in terms of your answer: If you say so.

silentsecret428 on June 3rd, 2005 06:29 am (UTC)
stupid smart word limit...
silentsecret428 on June 3rd, 2005 06:29 am (UTC)
In this case, its a grey area. obviously

Put simply:
tattoos tatoos on skin= body graffiti . "tattooing a bag"= merchandise graffiti.
Painting and airbrushing on cars. okay no. sorry. airbrushing to begin with; is a process that costs a lot because the equipment is expensive. Not for artistic skill...and airbrushing/painting a car... i'm sorry...i've never seen this illegally done... it's like graffitying walls...that's an illegal comparison if you'd like]
Airbrushed tshirts, jackets, etc </i> if they are actually copyrighted- then yes. [But it appears that you are saying if these guys can do it..so can you...which is not what this is about]

I don't think there's ever been a tattooist who has been sued for doing any copyrighted material. I'd say about 80% of tattooists do copyrighted work. They get by it because you're paying for their services.
A tattooist's equipment is very different from you have health. safety , and occupational hazard...sterile equipment, responsibility owed to the customer and a big fat compensation if the procedure goes wrong- because it would be under BODILY HARM. And they are licensed to perform this operation. In your case, they get 'it'[i assume the image] because you're paying for their service because they also owe a strict duty of care as well. The image they put is not sold freely on pages of examples. They are custom designs and are done with discretion. What you are doing is not that. You are offering what they would be doing as custom designs as your portfolio work. [even if to describe the range]

Back where I'm from, every year at xmas time, there's always at least 5 carts in the mall doing airbrushing. You can go in and buy a shirt with, say, the Tazmanian Devil put on it and your name. Noone has ever been sued. where i'm from- painting bags is different from airbrushing paper [again with process] Airbrushing itself is expensive to begin with. And they have a vending license as well to top that off. Airbrushing is also not allowed in malls ...because of the fumes they emit...which is why i dont know how your malls allowed that sort of stuff
./life/reviewed/cypher on June 3rd, 2005 01:29 pm (UTC)
"A tattooist's equipment is very different from you have health. safety , and occupational hazard...sterile equipment, responsibility owed to the customer and a big fat compensation if the procedure goes wrong- because it would be under BODILY HARM. And they are licensed to perform this operation. In your case, they get 'it'[i assume the image] because you're paying for their service because they also owe a strict duty of care as well. The image they put is not sold freely on pages of examples. They are custom designs and are done with discretion. What you are doing is not that. You are offering what they would be doing as custom designs as your portfolio work. [even if to describe the range]"


Invalid. Sorry. Just because there is bodily harm involved, or a license to PERFORM tattoos does not differ it at all from what I am doing. You're explanations as to why tattooists and airbrushing are ok, but i'm not, are way way WAY out there.

The cost of equipment or "canvas" don't matter at ALL.

sorry.
~**Bunny**~cheerful_bunny on June 3rd, 2005 03:00 pm (UTC)
Personally I don't view this as bootleg at all....I think everyone's taking it a bit too seriously....keep up the wonderful work, they are FANTASTIC!
silentsecret428 on June 4th, 2005 12:21 am (UTC)
hey there. Didnt imply it was just a bootleg the things he was doing. And while fantastic, attract people and therefore attract legal cases.
silentsecret428 on June 4th, 2005 12:28 am (UTC)
The cost of equipment or "canvas" don't matter at ALL.
This is highly a personal opinion. Sorry.

... Well i'm sure it matters to you.. you're charging for it.

I'm surprised an artist would take this view. Canvas matters to me.. especially with what i paint on it.

... cost of equipment- so you are saying people charge so much money because they are so good at tattooing and NOTHING has to do for covering the use of the equipment, steriles on top of the service.


Invalid. Sorry. Just because there is bodily harm involved, or a license to PERFORM tattoos does not differ it at all from what I am doing. You're explanations as to why tattooists and airbrushing are ok, but i'm not, are way way WAY out there.
not invalid
How does it not differ? You are not explaining this and make such a bold statement to attempt to cover yourself. Bodily harm... license to perform artwork[tattoos]... does not differ from your work/... HOW?!?!?! T.T [dont answer. just realise] The reason i assume you must've had such a bold statement "INVALID" too, would either be because you couldnt come up with anything, or had an answer so great you didnt think i should be explained to . I think it is valid

Also... what you are doing atm.. if its not a business. IS cash i hand. I'm not sure how it works up there. but its illegal here.
silentsecret428 on June 4th, 2005 12:30 am (UTC)
You're probably getting a little frustrated in this, as it is getting rather heated.
To preserve peace in this community and to avoid/refrain admirers of your wildly identical poses of sailorscouts from cussing...

I hope your businessoccupation goes well.
./life/reviewed/: Shut the fuck up!cypher on June 4th, 2005 12:34 am (UTC)
Wildly identical?

yeah.. save the snarky. this debate is done.